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30% said yes, 70% said no on our online poll. we told you about a new report showing union membership of an eight-year low. they suffered a sharp decline last year and nearly 12% of all workers to just over 11% or 14.5 million people. unions have steadily lost members since their peak in the 1950s. in california, talking the time. while the nation shed 500 union members last year, they actually have gone up more than 100,000. the reason is simple. latino workers. they can't or they won't face reality. union demands constrain growth. governors and state legislatures are working so that more of the state's workers can get jobs.
california still has the third-highest unemployment rate in the country at nearly 10%. the state is $28 billion in debt and has one third of the nation's welfare recipients. unions are not helping. that is it for tonight "willis report." thank you for joining us and do not forget to record the show if you can't catch can catch us live. have a great night. lou: good evening, everybody. what will obviously be a perpetual campaign by president obama in his second term goes on tonight it started with a perpetual attack on our second amendment rights. senator dianne feinstein kicking off this morning, rolling out new legislation and they would ban nearly 160 assault rifles and semi automatic weapons and magazines holding more than 10 rounds. nearly a dozen of those weapons on display at the news
conference, including the so-called assault weapon used by the newtown, connecticut, shooter, atlanta. the senators placed the blame not on that young man with serious mental illness was left untreated, but rather on gun laws. >> weaken gun laws allow these mass killings to be carried out again and again. weapons designed originally for the military to kill large numbers of people are replicated for civil unions. lou: after four days of non-relativity from the president dispatched his vice president for a not so successful joe biden fireside chat made famous by fdr. not so successful because vice
president biden undercut it with his own call for shotguns and more modest magazines. >> a shotgun will keep you a lot safer. a double barrel shotgun than an assault weapon in someone's hands. even when he does know how to use it, it's harder to use an assault weapon as it is a shotgun i am less concerned about what you call an assault weapon. lou: president obama hoping that his number two does better tomorrow when joe biden launches a campaign style road trip to promote gun control. his first stop is virginia, whose electorate is pro-gun. this is now coming to be known as the obama great gun grab.
fox news national security analyst k.t. mcfarland, former state department director, will be here to discuss john kerry's appointment to the secretary of state and what he means to obama foreign policy. we will be talking to a man who put the fate of the keystone pipeline and the fate of the president's hands. we have dave heineman with his approval to give president obama a second chance. we begin with the obama party is campaign to ban assault weapons. they not only want to ban assault weapons but certain handouts. for more on what the democrats are trying to do to our second amendment rights, we bring in
shannon bream. reporter: senator dianne feinstein acknowledges that it will be an uphill battle. this new measure would ban the sale and manufacture and transfer and importation of 157 specific garments, along with a broader group of other guns that will meet at a lower threshold for being classified as an assault weapon is the sale and transfer and gifting of anything classified as an assault weapon. >> no weapon is taken from anyone. the purpose is to try up the supply of these weapons over time. therefore there is no sunset on the spell of.
reporter: the children in the newtown, connecticut, massacre would likely still be alive, they say, if these guns off the market. just about every action the shooter cho, including that day, was already illegal. a spokesman for the nra said that it is disappointing, but not surprising that she, senator feinstein, is focused on curtailing the constitution instead of protecting -- excuse me, prosecuting criminals or fixing our broken mental health care system. many say that they are not ready to support a new assault weapons ban. lou: thank you very much. shannon bream, fox news correspondent. one side claims we must reduce firepower available to those who were killed to prevent deaths
when we can. many say that the 1994 assault weapons ban did nothing to rectify this. our two guests join us now to discuss the matter. thank you both for being with us tonight. are you hopeful that dianne feinstein's legislation will actually be template for what the democratic party will achieve? >> well, her bill is part of what the democratic party hopes to achieve and what the president hopes to achieve. gun control has always been a tough night. i helped lead the fight in 1994 when he passes them the first time. sure enough, we did get it done, unfortunately at a ten-year sunset, but the last in congress like gonzo back on the street. i do think it's a chance for a
bill on background checks and mental health issues. lou: let me ask you, is it your judgment of this bill is going to be pretty much the direction we are headed? >> well, i do think that this is going to be a part of the pledge. i think they have a long road ahead and it's not going to do anything really to take these types of firearms outside of determined hands. connecticut had a very strict gun ban, and yet atalanta killed his mother and then stole the firearms. no loss is going to prevent bad guys from doing that. really, this is affecting the noise -- dianne feinstein actually had a concealed permit to carry years ago. he went on to apologize -- i called you larry, that's your father's name. richard, what is your response?
>> it requires gun owners to keep their weapons locked up, which is a reasonable thing to do. most gun owners do that. we have a ten-year experience with the assault weapon ban. the ban was lifted and we saw the seizure of assault weapons start to go up in the seizure of magazines start a blog. so we had the opportunity to reduce firepower, as your intel said. it's very important that we do not. >> what richard is not telling us that we are actually safer today now that the gun ban unscented in 2004. if you look at the fbi statistics, the murder rate has plummeted and gone through the floor. we are actually safer today with these firearms being legal. >> that is ridiculous and all proportions, with all due respect. [talking over each other]
[talking over each other] >> these are not assault weapons. >> he is asserting itself as the assault weapon ban was lifted, we are safer. [talking over each other] [talking over each other] >> the murder rate has plummeted. what are you going to say about that, richard? [talking over each other] [talking over each other] >> anybody can google the fbi statistics and look for themselves. 2004 until 2011 -- take a look and i invite them to do that. lou: let me say this. it is true that more people die in this country every year as a result of being hit with a club or a hammer than a rifle. that includes all rifles, which would include assault weapons and the so-called assault weapons. it is, if you will, one of the lesser aspects of the problem of guns and how they are used to commit crimes. but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't reduce the number of
lives where we can save them. we have the opportunity to take these weapons off the street. these are not hunting rifles. lou: intellectually, richard -- an era, join in this, obviously -- the assault weapon has a high number of magazines. it is a semi automatic weapon and in that respect no different than semi automatic weapons. once you pull the number of rounds from that rifle, -- >> the distinguishing factor is certain characteristics that allow attribute fire rapidly and continuously in a military fashion. [talking over each other] [talking over each other] >> these are not assault
weapons. >> this is not a monologue. >> okay, the weapons have characteristics. it has a pistol grip so you can use that. this is not you can acquire a target and shoot. these are very dangerous weapons. >> there are millions of people who use these firearms for self-defense. these guns that richard is talking about are not owned by any military on the earth. no military owns these type of firearms because they are not automatic weapons for you pull the trigger once. one bullet comes out the barrel. these are semi automatic defensive weapons that millions of people own. they are not even as powerful as your average shotgun. the things that richard is saying -- absolutely ludicrous.
it's like the mayor of philadelphia is calling these weapons of mass destruction -- it's so over-the-top rhetoric. millions of law-abiding people are using for self-defense, men and women alike. >> tell that to the parents who have lost kids in the school massacre, tell it to the officers families who have been shot. there is reason why law enforcement is so solidly behind this. [talking over each other] [talking over each other] lou: let's be very clear, in many cases, many reasons that we chiefs are buying this is because they were appointed by mayors who were elected who are telling them precisely what to do. urban centers -- if i may finish -- urban centers are a liberal bastion. that is not result in warm and fuzzy feelings for the second amendment. >> that is where we see the
massacres occurring is in places where guns are banned. you look over the past 20 years all the shooting massacres would occur in places where guns were banned. the ultimate hypocrisy that there is 1800 cops guarding our congressmen on any given day that is why these tragedies are occurring. [talking over each other] [talking over each other] lou: i think we can agree with this. it's a lot more complicated than that. i would say to both sides, do not oversimplify and let's maintain at least some intellectual discussion. mental health in the and the treatment is a relevant issue that should be discussed. these shootings are far more the responsibility of people who are mentally ill and who have not received appropriate treatment than they are of guns. >> go down the list.
[talking over each other] [talking over each other] lou: if i hear incomprehensible one more time, i'm going to puke. this country needs to understand that it's time to take an honest and open and clear eyed look at the problem and deal with it intelligently and responsibly or it when people start bloviating about comprehensive and comprehensive -- we have a group of people who are mentally ill and we need to deal with this root cause. >> agreed. >> i do agree. lou: this is pure bs. >> we do have to treat mental health. i am not suggesting that anybody stop. lou: the president is doing the same nonsense that he does with every issue that he takes down the road, which is to start
talking about comprehensive instead of and governmental. [talking over each other] [talking over each other] lou: eric, unfortunately, we are constrained by time or we could be even broader on the subject. we will come back and continue the conversation. thank you both for being here. my apologies again for using her father's name. we will continue with a major discussion.
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the longest streak in the last five years. the nasdaq is down. apple stocks, that down $63.51. just above exxon mobil and microsoft reporting earnings after the close starbucks moving higher, like arbucks moving higher, like electronic trading today are higher. a bipartisan group of 53 senators sent a letter to president obama, urging him to approve the keystone xl pipeline the pipeline has gone for the most exhaustive environmental scrutiny. there is no reason to deny or
further delay as long study project. that letter is from senator john hogan, and that follows the approval of dave heineman's state. the bill is now on the president's desk. it is expected to create 418 million and benefits related to a two-year construction project. 16.5 million, roughly 4000 jobs. joining us now is the governor of the state of nebraska. governor, good to have you with us and congratulations. you have to go pretty good just knowing that you have -- i know you feel good about the economic prospectors state and citizens, but you have to feel pretty good about giving the president a second chance to do the right thing.
>> i'm glad to do that and i'm glad to be with you tonight. this is about energy independence. we need to reduce our dependence on foreign oil. the economic impact is very positive for my state in all of america. these jobs are coming to play, it is the environmental concerns and we had an environmental impact statement that the senate would be seen how it's localized in nature. it is now time for the president to act. >> he won after all of the studies and revisions that you have made with the keystone xl pipeline, environmentalists are still having a fit, they? >> they are. you are never going to satisfy them totally. we want to move around and we had four informational hearings and had some other minor adjustments that were made. we are all comfortable in this state to move forward with the
keystone xl pipeline. lou: we are going to have a new secretary of state, the state level have another review, perhaps a decision as early as march. if i can call that early. is it your sense, do you get any sense from the obama administration whether it's interior or state, whatever it may be come the white house itself, that the president has rethought this matter and is taking a different approach? >> well, i don't know that for sure. i can tell you that we have been working with his department of state during this entire process. they have been to all the informational hearings and they know exactly what is going to be in the environmental impact statement. so i'm not sure if they need more information than that. it is time to say yes or no, approve it or not, and i think
most americans would say that it's time to approve it, let's get moving forward. lou: okay, thank you very much for being with us. we will be watching along with you and the folks to see what the contribution that the keystone xl pipeline will be making for energy future. thank you, governor. >> thank you, lou. lou: up next, chairman of the senate foreign relations committee, senator john kerry, certain to be the next secretary of state. we will take that up with the "a-team." the second amendment, does it matter? they want to believe that you don't want your guns. we will tell you what is wrong with all of the nonsense being peddled out in a massive propaganda broadside. will it work? we will take that up in the "chalk talk" next.
the attack against our second amendment rights. his pals and the liberal media are pretty revved up as well. a recent editorial in the new york times reads, and i quote, those who believe as we do that the second amendment does not provide each american with an absolute right to own guns must recognize that this position can alienate sympathetic listeners and is not likely to prevail any time soon. talk about real politics. rather humble of the new york times to acknowledge such. the times is, however, one of many publications trying to restrict our second amendment. a new study by the media research center finds 18 of the top 20 newspapers in this country published pro-gun control editorials over 01 months time frame from a december last year to the mid january of this year. that two newspapers that did not , the "wall street journal," the orange county register, thank you. thank you. over that same time there were a
total of 92 editorials on guns. encouraging. ninety-two. unfortunately, of those 89 of them promoted gun-control. 97 percent of the editorials were against guns or attacked the national rifle association. who would like to offer just a few facts and if we could call for the clearly biased and financially more men to left-wing newspapers. you are in a death spiral financially in part because you keep driving away your readers who just happen to live in america and are somewhat attached to our constitution. with your claptrap like that served up by the new york times. according to the latest fox news poll their is a huge gulf between the views of the american people and the media elite. in fact, 50 -- according to the most recent fox news polls,
56 percent of -- are of a federal -- favorable opinion of the nra. just for your consideration, if i may suggest. by the way, that is a little better than the favorable ratings for president obama. obama is very popular, of course . he has that 51 percent approval rating. not only that, a stunning 71 percent of those polled come 71 percent, 71 percent say tougher gun laws will make a difference and all. tragedies like the new town schools shooting are just a little more complicated than that, and the american people understand that. hopefully our liberal mainstream media and hour, well, democratically led white house
and senate will take into account the intelligence of the american people at some point. maybe, just maybe those newspapers, the ones that want to survive, will think about preserving constitutional values as they're citizens and readers do as well and respecting common sense and hard-working americans who happen to be users of there fine products. you see, some of us are still clinging to the idea, not bitterly at all, but clinging to our guns and are bibles and, oh, yes, the constitution. equal rights, defense secretary rolls up his plan to allow women in combat. we take that up with the "a-team." clinton and his roles, but our last two presidents, well, they are special. details ahead. john kerry confirmation is assured.
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♪ lou: senator kerry well, in all likelihood, almost unimaginable that he would not be confirmed as secretary of state next week. the nominee, by the way, calling to implement the president's foreign policy vision well morning at the same time that u.s. influence depends on the ability to tackle our debt. >> more than ever for an policy is economic policy. i am especially cognizant of the fact that we cannot be strong in the world. lou: joining us now, fox news national security analysts, holding national security posts under three different presidents . former state department director of policy planning under president george w. bush and
president of washington college. good to have you with this. let me start with you, if i may. i was -- actually, i was heartened to hear senator kerrey acknowledged the importance of us strong economy to our foreign policy. >> racking up all of this debt. as a result i think our ability to influence events is greatly decreased. hillary clinton, the of going secretary says, don't pick a fight with your banker. so i think secretary carey, when he comes into office will have a much harder time because of the whole economic sovereignty issue lou: your reaction? >> at the that is absolutely right. the real challenges have to continue to promote u.s. interests abroad when clearly the obama administration is focused on domestic issues, nation building and home. that's a tough task for the secretary to. lou: and the u.k., the foreign minister has a great sense of
humor because he just a day after secretary clinton had testified to warn the u.k. citizens of the dangers of benghazi. that had to be -- somebody there had to be just laughing as the issue that warning. >> that is a pretty serious warning. lou: i understand the warning is, but the timing is incredible. >> just announced yet been gauzy is not a problem. i found those hearings is today just appalling. all the senators and congressmen should have asked for the tough questions. didn't. one after another they asked her about all the things that had gone before. she said for months the rate for those questions and should better than none of the park. what they fail to save her, why hasn't anybody gone after the people responsible for benghazi? the same people who are now doing the algerian attack, why have we not. lou: on december 201st there was this to say about the fact that the obama administration
had not done anything about benghazi and then we will bring you up-to-date on her forecast. >> the important thing is what happened afterwards, which is nothing. they never hunted down and retaliated correspondent. and by failing to respond we know who did this attack. we know where the training camps are. by failing to respond we have given them a green light to hit us again. lou: and they did. more americans dead in north africa, algeria this time. this is an administration -- and let me turn to mitchell. is it your judgment that this administration is pursuing right now those who have perpetrated the murders of our ambassador in benghazi, killed three americans at least in algeria. >> no, i don't think that there is a lot of evidence that they are aggressively pursuing this, and it is not just what happened before, during, and after. this is much more broad than
what happened in one city in libya. four of our embassies and consulates were attacked on september 11th. there have been anti-american demonstrations across the region , and the administration now for over year has really not come to grips with the arabs spring and the consequences of its tumble to unchanged in the region. there is no policy that the obama administration has been able to articulate for how it's going to do with promoting the forces of democracy and freedom that we saw in terrier square but also how we go after the extremism that we are now seeing spread from libya to mali to algeria and other countries. nothing was said on that issue yesterday with secretary clinton and, unfortunately, secretary carey had nothing to say about it today, and he was not asked about it. lou: there are these other minor issues, china, russia. they are including north korea, the future of.
there is a lot that is being addressed publicly by this illustration. >> and the amazing thing is secretary clinton is getting out of ten just-in-time because the wheels are about to call off the bus. a nuclear ron. at issue will be forced to decide that is within the next four years. north korea has tested long-range missiles. that issue is upon us immediately. we are going to soon be to the point where between the atlantic ocean and north africa, least of persian gulf, all the way over afghanistan the region will be a political and economic and military chaos. lou: president obama has said that a decade of war is near its end. peace is at hand, i guess. is that a prospective you share? >> no, that was never true. it was not true when he said it last year, and it's not true today. these wars are continuing. it simply means that we are not in the fight or not helping shape the outcome. the outcomes matter, whether in
afghanistan, syria today than. our interests are at stake. there are ways in which we can help shape these outcomes favorably tell us into our friends and allies in the region without committing tens of thousands of ground troops. that is a strong man. he has assembled. so, again, it has to do with the strategy of foreign-policy. instead of seeing every issue as a transaction to move from your in box tiara box, this administration has a hard time understanding this week that is taking place across the arab world in developing a comprehensive response to it. lou: thank you for being with us. we appreciated. thank you. thank you both. up next, it turns out that president bush and obama have something in common. we will tell you what when we continue. and up tomorrow, best-selling author joins us. foreign policy adviser, fox contributor. republican strategist among
♪ lou: it seems tonight that we have had more polls. i love it. we have another one for you. president obama and president george w. bush on common ground according to the latest gallup poll. president obama's fourth year in office tying a record, record high for polarizing politics. 86 percent of democrats, 10 percent of republicans approve of president obama's job performance. seventy-six points ties exactly. president bush's fourth year in office as the most divisive on
record. how about that? i mean, who would have guessed that it was such a similar performance. joining me now, the "a-team," pulitzer prize-winning columnist, fox is contributor. fox news legal analyst, attorney . and the chief congressional correspondent for the washington examiner. good to have you with us. you have to be impressed that president bush and president obama are tied in the ways in which they have divided the american people. that's impressive. >> i am not surprised assault. we have seen a series of swing elections where the voters are sort of throwing the bums out because they are not happy with their performance. it just results in us getting polarized factions in congress and in the white house. look, president obama ran on a liberal agenda, and that is what he talked about during his inaugural speech. nothing surprising, but the
voters keep electing candidates who are polar opposites from one election to the other. lou: the point did you make of it is interesting because instead of throwing the bonds of both men were reelected as a result of the atmosphere, i guess, in part of their fourth year. that is quite a disconnect. >> well, i think that what it shows is that the american people are not listening to what the objectors are saying about the other party or about the candidate. you know, for paul ryan to say it -- make a straw man, the other day about president obama and for these words to be used, they're so polarizing command at don't think it's right. the american people are sick and tired of it, but that is why we're seeing. lou: object for being dismissed. here you're objecting. >> objecting to the language that they are using. i think that it is harmful to the american culture.
lou: well, the gun-control debate will be a perfect place to watch the civility return and everybody turned down the thermostat a little bit. >> i think it is a chicken and egg problem. i suspect that these people are elected precisely because they appeal to half the electorate. i don't know that the president's cause polarization as much as they reflect the people who elect them, and so i think that -- we do have a country it is polarized. is not just in washington. is in the nation as a whole. lou: what i did not see happen in washington d.c., either yesterday or today, i did not see polarization reflected on the part of either the party teefor affairs committee in the senate or the foreign relations -- vice versa. the foreign affairs committee in the house. they were all handing, basically, tough questions. they were taking their time trying to eat it up with clinton before the. republicans and democrats have
embraced john kerry. this doesn't look like polarization to me. it looks like a coup by a moment . >> well, what was being said earlier, i agree. a don't generally agree with a lot the she says, but the fact that the soft ball questions that they were asking clinton were just really shocking to me. a superstar walked into the room and there was all this hatred that was being said before she walked in. all of this anger about benghazi, and that she walks in and everyone is like -- lou: you're objecting to that. you have to pick a side here. what do you think, susan? >> first of all, you have to divide it up. in the senate there are always a little more subdued in their questioning because she is a former senator for one thing, part of the club. they are always less aggressive in the senate. in the house we saw a lot more sparring. the questioning was more aggressive, but you're right. a lot of covering. i think it was more of a fear of
a lot of year of a backlash for attacking her. she is someone who is herself from the polarizing family, the clintons. a lot of people really like her, and she is a woman. lou: did not rise to the level of either. did not rise to the level of either president obama or president bush. so i sure president clinton is thinking right now that he missed an opportunity. were going to come right back. stay with us. were going to turn to michael goodwin to see what he can do with this gun control debate, how he can resolve it straight away. ♪ [ male announcer ] how do you make 70,000 trades a second... ♪ reach one customer at a time? ♪ or help doctors turn billions of bytes of shared information... ♪ into a fifth anniversary of remission? ♪ whatever your business challenge, dell has the technology and services to help you solve it.
i mean, she is going after everything. impressive or not? >> well, look, i mean, i read a good portion of the bill. i think there are some interesting statistics in it. for example, of a firearm she would ban, 150 altogether, since the last ban expired in 2000 for their have been 350 murders that were carried out using guns that she would no ban. so in the meantime there have probably been about 100,000 homicides overall. only 350 by the band guns, and she is setting. second thing i would say is that the house, i think is going to have a problem at some point, and i hope that the house will pass something that deals with mental health because there is nothing in her bill that does that. it is all about guns and for having guns. we know it is not against the to the murders but the people with mental disorders for the most part. lou: exactly, and i was discussing this earlier.
a terrific advocate, irrespective of his side of the issue with which i obviously disagree. but we were discussing the importance of the strategic. i told him i believe the democrats made a horrible blunder in going after guns rather than going after mental health and providing for treatment because these are the people who are killing, who are responsible for these tragedies. i believe that democrats in their lust to destroy the second amendment have destroyed an opportunity to really make meaningful progress. susan, your thoughts? >> well, i think today was a very emotional press conference. many victims of the socks there, shooting from assault weapons. but i think you have to keep in mind, though, that this will account for guns that are already in circulation. in the united states there are somewhere along the lines of a quarter of a billion guns in circulation. so this does not really address the here and now, the problems we're having now, and that is where something like mental health and background checks or
other, you know, other remedies may be much more important and more valuable than what this bill would put forward. secondly, i just don't think it as much of a chance in the senate, not just because the republicans, but because there are a lot of democrats up for reelection in pro-gun states where this kind of thing just one flight. i don't think this will get anywhere. >> i think the bill is way too broad. i am a democrat. it's too much. at the same time, you talk about the small numbers of people affected if these guns were to be banned. if you look at mexico, mexico said they lost 30,000 people due to the gun flow from american guns coming over into the border. and so we have to look at -- i don't think it is just -- we have to look at the problem of violence and not just mental-health. mental health is a big issue, but violence and gangs and drugs is a big problem as well because -- lou: said he think we should go after the supply of drugs?
the democrats have resisted exact that strategy. it is a strategy that they are proposing, and are trying to execute and i think it's going to be an utter disaster for them as a result. we will see, obviously. the debate continues. thank you for being a part of it. thank you. appreciate it. that's it for us. thank you for joining us. see you tomorrow night. good night from the york. good night from the york. ♪ [ male announcer ] you are a business pro. omnipotent of opportunity. you know how to mix business... with business.
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